I am an Obaman…Not! For those of you who are somwhat dyslexic, you could say that I am not an Obaman. And if you choose to resort to ad hominem attacks rather than attacking the issues, I just might boot you off the plane…well, at least off my site.
Or I might just choose to argue with you.
And so, SC Muth or whoever you are, I’m taking you on.
You decided to contribute your comments about my posting of a “negative campaign ad.” And here they are:
I loved that you are using a “so called negative campaign ad” as your basis for truth. Sad, but amusing. Save yourself and do your own research.
Good luck, clearly you’ll need some.
Clearly, I am not the one who hasn’t done the research.
But in the interests of fairness, I decided not to ask you to get off my plane, but rather to ask you to read the excerpt below from the transcript of the Democratic Presidential Candidates Debate held at Drexel University on October 30th, 2007. I’m posting only the relevant part without excising the comments from any the context, lest I be accused of some more egregious journalistic abuse.
You find the transcript to the debate in its entirety in the link above, but you need to scroll through the entire debate until almost the end of the transcript to find this material. In the excerpt I’ve highlighted Senator Obama’s comments to assist you in finding them…if you want to.
Read and weep.
And next time, do your own homework.
PHILADELPHIA—Transcript of Oct. 30 Democratic debate at Drexel University below. Courtesy MSNBC.
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES PARTICIPATE IN A DEBATE
SPONSORED BY MSNBC
OCTOBER 30, 2007
SPEAKERS: SEN. CHRISTOPHER J. DODD, D-CONN.
SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, D-N.Y.
FORMER SEN. JOHN EDWARDS, D-N.C.
GOV. BILL RICHARDSON, D-N.M.
SEN. JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., D-DEL.
REP. DENNIS J. KUCINICH, D-OHIO
SEN. BARACK OBAMA, D-ILL.
BRIAN WILLIAMS, MSNBC ANCHOR
TIM RUSSERT, MSNBC ANCHOR…
RUSSERT: Thank you, Brian.
Senator Clinton, Governor of New York Eliot Spitzer has proposed
giving driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. He told the Nashua,
New Hampshire, Editorial Board it makes a lot of sense.
Why does it make a lot of sense to give an illegal immigrant a
CLINTON: Well, what Governor Spitzer is trying to do is fill the
vacuum left by the failure of this administration to bring about
comprehensive immigration reform. We know in New York we have several
million at any one time who are in New York illegally. They are
undocumented workers. They are driving on our roads. The possibility
of them having an accident that harms themselves or others is just a
matter of the odds. It’s probability.
So what Governor Spitzer is trying to do is to fill the vacuum.
I believe we need to get back to comprehensive immigration reform
because no state, no matter how well intentioned, can fill this gap.
There needs to be federal action on immigration reform.
RUSSERT: Does anyone here believe an illegal immigrant should
not have a driver’s license?
(UNKNOWN): Believe what?
RUSSERT: An illegal immigrant should not have a driver’s
DODD: This is a privilege. And, look, I’m as forthright and
progressive on immigration policy as anyone here. But we’re dealing
with a serious problem here, we need to have people come forward. The
idea that we’re going to extend this privilege here of a driver’s
license I think is troublesome, and I think the American people are
reacting to it.
We need to deal with security on our borders. We need to deal
with the attraction that draws people here. We need to deal fairly
with those who are here.
But this is a privilege. Talk about health care, I have a
different opinion. That affects the public health of all of us.
But a license is a privilege, and that ought not to be extended,
in my view.
CLINTON: Well, I just want to add, I did not say that it should
be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to
(UNKNOWN): Wait a minute…
CLINTON: And we have failed. We have failed.
DODD: No, no, no. You said — you said yes…
DODD: … you thought it made sense to do it.
CLINTON: No, I didn’t, Chris. But the point is, what are we
going to do with all these illegal immigrants who are driving…
DODD: That’s a legitimate issue. But driver’s license goes too
far, in my view.
CLINTON: Well, you may say that, but what is the identification?
If somebody runs into you today who is an undocumented worker…
DODD: There’s ways of dealing with that.
DODD: This is a privilege, not a right.
CLINTON: Well, what Governor Spitzer has agreed to do is to have
three different licenses, one that provides identification for
actually going onto airplanes and other kinds of security issues,
another which is another ordinary driver’s license, and then a special
card that identifies the people who would be on the road, so…
DODD: That’s a bureaucratic nightmare.
CLINTON: … it’s not the full privilege.
RUSSERT: Senator Clinton, I just want to make sure of what I
heard. Do you, the New York senator, Hillary Clinton, support the New
York governor’s plan to give illegal immigrants a driver’s license?
You told the New Hampshire paper that it made a lot of sense. Do
you support his plan?
CLINTON: You know, Tim, this is where everybody plays “gotcha.”
It makes a lot of sense. What is the governor supposed to do? He is
dealing with a serious problems. We have failed. And George Bush has
failed. Do I think this is the best thing for any governor to do?
No. But do I understand the sense of real desperation, trying to get
a handle on this? Remember, in New York, we want to know who’s in New
York. We want people to come out of the shadows.
He’s making an honest effort to do it. We should have passed
WILLIAMS: New subject, Senator Edwards.
You have young children. As you know, the Internet can be a bit
of a cultural wild west.
Assuming a lot of homes don’t have parental support, would you be
in favor of any government guidelines on Internet content?
EDWARDS: For children? To try to protect children — using
technology to protect children, I would.
I want to add something that Chris Dodd just said a minute ago,
because I don’t want it to go unnoticed. Unless I missed something,
Senator Clinton said two different things in the course of about two
minutes just a few minutes ago.
And I think this is a real issue for the country. I mean,
America is looking for a president who will say the same thing, who
will be consistent, who will be straight with them. Because what
we’ve had for seven years is double-talk from Bush and from Cheney,
and I think America deserves us to be straight.
WILLIAMS: Senator Obama, why are you nodding your head?
OBAMA: Well, I was confused on Senator Clinton’s answer. I
can’t tell whether she was for it or against it. And I do think that
is important. One of the things that we have to do in this country is
to be honest about the challenges that we face.
Immigration is a difficult issue. But part of leadership is not
just looking backwards and seeing what’s popular or trying to gauge
popular sentiment. It’s about setting a direction for the country.
And that’s what I intend to do as president.
RUSSERT: Are you for it or against it?
OBAMA: I think that it is the right idea, and I disagree with
Chris because there is a public safety concern. We can make sure that
drivers who are illegal come out of the shadows, that they can be
tracked, that they are properly trained, and that will make our roads
That doesn’t negate the need for us to reform illegal